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    What if Leeds . . . had style!

    Call me shallow - I totally admit it, I’m about as deep as a cross section of Happy Shopper cling film - but I appreciate a well designed, thoughtful, attractive logo. If it’s only the local takeaway or self-employed dog-sitter even I’ve been known to get a bit sniffy if the marketing is on the dodgy side. Once I even turned down a rather lucrative piece of work owing to the fact that the business in question insisted on corresponding with me in Papyrus font on some hideously gauche stationery. Which quite possibly makes me a typography snob too, and quite possibly in a minority of one. If the logo represents something as important as the vision for a city, which is a pretty deep and difficult concept, I think I’m justified in expecting something quite eye-catching, powerful, remarkable even. And if that city happens to be Leeds then I want a logo that expresses all the passion, pluck, gumption and grit that I feel makes the place great. . . Obviously that’s a tough brief and I’m the first to admit I wouldn’t fancy being the one to design it, but that’s why I’m not a pixel magician. So, let’s see, What If Leeds . . .


    Forget for a moment that there’s only seven words and four separate font effects clamouring for attention, what concerns me is that owl . . . I’ve just had to slap myself smartly with a cold damp flannel as whenever I think about that owl my mind goes into an overdrive of obscenity, a growling bitter diatribe consisting mainly of guttural word shards of a mainly Anglo-Saxon origin. Owl/Leeds . . . it’s a fairly lame and uninspired choice of mascot. If it must be an owl then at least one of the glorious golden ones on the Civic Hall, or any of the lovely bunch on the Leeds Owl Trail. We’re hardly short of magnificent, impressive, fabulous beasts in Leeds (though why we can’t have the Leeds Town Hall Lions as our logo I’ll never know . . . there’s nothing quite like those four striking fellows any where else, they are pure Leeds.) Quite why this jejune, inept bit of clip art is thought to represent me and my city is beyond me . . . if they told me it was the logo for a small nursery in Moortown, even that would be far too lazy for words.

    Actually, style isn’t as superficial as I made out. Style is the way we do things, the surplus of delight beyond the strictly necessary, the swagger in the step and the spice in the sauce, and it’s the style of a place that makes you want to be part of it, not the plain facts and certainly not the bare statistics. Style should come across in everything we do as a city. Nobody in their right minds could call that owl stylish. Clip art never caused a heart to beat faster or created a sense of passionate identification with a particular place. What if Leeds had a sense of style . . . Let’s get rid of the owl.
    • 16 August 2010
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    over 1 year ago mikechitty (Twitter) responded:
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    There are those that would say design is the only real advantage
    over 1 year ago Phil Kirby responded:
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    You know me @mikecitty, heavy on style, light on substance.
    over 1 year ago imran (Twitter) responded:
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    The Owl Is Good & Wise… http://lsx.dotnorth.org/
    over 1 year ago Phil Kirby responded:
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    but a clip art owl @imran is cheap and cheerless. All the design talent in Leeds and we get that? Do you really think it's good enough?
    over 1 year ago mikechitty (Twitter) responded:
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    The meaning of owl symbolism varies by culture. In Japanese and some Native American cultures the owl is a symbol of approaching death. In parts of Africa (and for some Harry Potter fans) it is a symbol of witchcraft and sorcery. I believe that for Hindus the owl is the guardian of the underworld.

    In greco-roman culture owls came to be symbols for wealth, intelligence and power.

    over 1 year ago ebsnare (Twitter) responded:
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    That owl looks like it's on mind-altering substances, but not in the fun exciting way. Plus the logo makes me think, for some reason, of sports centres? What about the lack of full stop at the end of 'Shape tomorrow'? Although this project is going to be awesome, I agree about the logo.
    over 1 year ago Phil Kirby responded:
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    I have no problem with owls @mikechitty, just the lack of imagination and total disregard of design aesthetics. Leeds surely can do better than that?
    over 1 year ago Phil Kirby responded:
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    The owl is not a good role model @ebsnare . . . agree totally about the project though. Let's get a logo we can all be proud of?
    over 1 year ago gazpachodragon (Twitter) responded:
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    The lions aren't uniquely Leeds - they have them in loads of places (including Bolton. Do we want to be on a par with Bolton?)

    The owl though, the gilded Leeds owl, that's beautiful. I don't understand what this purple overgrown pigeon is meant to have in common with the Leeds owl at all. It might as well be a frog, or an ocelot, or an alien.

    over 1 year ago LuHarper (Twitter) responded:
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    That's hilarious... or should I say a hoot. Hope you're feathers don't stay ruffled too long Phil!
    over 1 year ago imran (Twitter) responded:
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    This guy doesn't look too happy with the representation of his race… http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Eagle_Owl_IMG_9203.JPG
    over 1 year ago Phil Kirby responded:
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    I suppose the lions mean more to me than the owls @gazpachodragon, & there's nowt wrong with Bolton! Purple pigeon? Ha!
    over 1 year ago ebsnare (Twitter) responded:
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    How about an owl, flying majestically in the air, carrying a lion? Or maybe, a lion and owl hugging in a cute Japanese style?

    Or maybe just a clean, simple and bang-on-awesome image that says 'Leeds. We're bloody brilliant.'

    over 1 year ago Phil Kirby responded:
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    I'd go with the image @ebsnare . . . got any ideas?
    over 1 year ago ebsnare (Twitter) responded:
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    Well, I'm not a graphic designer (by any stretch of the twisted imagination) but here's the best, simplest and hey, finance department, CHEAPEST way to get a good logo:

    1) Work out what you want it to 'say' about your company or idea.

    2) Write this down, on a piece of paper, with a date the first ideas should be in by. Put your email address too.

    3) Email, phone or visit the head of Graphic Design at Leeds Met and Leeds College of Art.

    4) Give them piece of paper and suggest they present it to their second/third year students as a live brief. The prize for the student is that they got to design the logo. Trust me, that's enough (at least to start with).

    5) Wait for the next bright, amazingly talented young thing to put something together so utterly fantastic, you are shocked you even shelled out £xxxx for that rubbish website some bloke with no design talent knocked up in an afternoon in his spare room.

    6) Show it to the world and avoid the wrath of Phil Kirby.

    over 1 year ago Phil Kirby responded:
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    you may be on to something @ebsnare . . . let's work on that idea.
    over 1 year ago Chance4321 (Twitter) responded:
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    For the love of god, did they get the work experience kid to do it ?
    over 1 year ago Phil Kirby responded:
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    don't you be knocking those work experience kids @chance4321, lots of them are really talented . . . we'd be blessed compared to this.
    over 1 year ago Migweld (Twitter) responded:
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    @ebsnare I hope you're not serious. Exploitation of any professional (yes, that includes students) by 'design contest' is unethical in the extreme. If they're good enough to design a logo that you like then they are damn well good enough to be paid for it!
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